Justified Firing vs Constitutional Crisis

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Re: Justified Firing vs Constitutional Crisis

Postby Cate McCalley » Wed May 31, 2017 9:03 am

GFunkMoneyDog wrote:Cough Cough Bullshit!!! Their is as much evidence of the Russia collusion as their is in Seth Rich leaking the DNC emails to Wikileaks. Actually more evidence, and then theirs Wikileaks credibility which is undeniable. They publish the facts.



That cough is catching! I dang near choked reading your complete dismissal of our Intelligence community's evidence of Russian influence with Trump's inner circle during 2015 & 2016.

Every other day, a new leak emerges connecting the dots of Trump's campaign associates direct ties with Russia. The most obvious one wasn't a leak, but press reports with photo's of General Michael Flynn's attendence at Russia's most prominent producer of fake news, 'Russia Today', tenth anniversary celebration. The fake news media 'Russia Today' paid all of Flynn's expenses a $41,000 'honorarium' for his attendence. That was money well spent to capture photos of one of our high ranking Generals dining with Putin. Of course Flynn failed to get permission from the Pentagon to attend the gala, as well as failed to report the income from a foreign company.

Your President appointed Flynn, even though he was cautioned about him. He kept Flynn 18 days after he was told directly Flynn had lied to Congress during his hearing, giving Flynn access to highly classified information.

Your President has no credibility. He proved himself unfit for POTUS before his election, and has done nothing but confirm it ever since.


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Re: Justified Firing vs Constitutional Crisis

Postby Gopher » Wed May 31, 2017 3:03 pm

That's your opinion Cate. Doesn't make it fact any more than the lack of evidence of Russia hacking the DNC. You push that narrative in every topic though.
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Re: Justified Firing vs Constitutional Crisis

Postby Cate McCalley » Wed May 31, 2017 11:02 pm

Gopher wrote:That's your opinion Cate. Doesn't make it fact any more than the lack of evidence of Russia hacking the DNC. You push that narrative in every topic though.


Cough! choke..hurumph ...so according to you, our entire Intelligence community just lied about the evidence they have, confirming Russia hacked the DNC, Podesta's emails, other institutions & private citizens? The evidence shown to Congressional committees investigating the matter? Evidence shown to a Trump himself?


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Re: Justified Firing vs Constitutional Crisis

Postby Gopher » Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:03 pm

Their was a hack, and a leaking of emails.
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Re: Justified Firing vs Constitutional Crisis

Postby Cate McCalley » Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:16 pm

Gopher wrote:Their was a hack, and a leaking of emails.


I think somebody hacked your skull and massive gray matter leaked Gopher! :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Re: Justified Firing vs Constitutional Crisis

Postby PharmGirl » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:14 am

Your like Hillary lol. You have 27 reasons she lost.
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Re: Justified Firing vs Constitutional Crisis

Postby Cate McCalley » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:41 pm

PharmGirl wrote:Your like Hillary lol. You have 27 reasons she lost.


I, along with millions that have followed U.SA. political discourse over the decades, could offer analysis using historical data of facts. But it would be like pouring water over concrete. No point in wasting water.


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Re: Justified Firing vs Constitutional Crisis

Postby GFunkMoneyDog » Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:12 am

She never had a message that resonated with voters. Vote for me cause I'm a female, and a Clinton is the best she could do.
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Re: Justified Firing vs Constitutional Crisis

Postby Demon Hunter » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:03 am

GFunkMoneyDog wrote:She never had a message that resonated with voters. Vote for me cause I'm a female, and a Clinton is the best she could do.


She did many things. She sold Uranium to Russia. She accepted millions of dollars from the Middle East for her husbands foundations before approving arms deals. She takes credit for killing Ghadafi and destroying Libya which is a mecca for terrorists to hide and plot. She did a great many things.
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Re: Justified Firing vs Constitutional Crisis

Postby Cate McCalley » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:44 am

What are you guys gonna do when you run out of recycling Clinton distortions?


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Re: Justified Firing vs Constitutional Crisis

Postby Gurt B Frobe » Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:57 pm

Cate McCalley wrote:What are you guys gonna do when you run out of recycling Clinton distortions?


It's not a distortion that millions were donated to the Clinton Foundation before they got their arms deals. Do you dispute this?
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Re: Justified Firing vs Constitutional Crisis

Postby Cate McCalley » Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:00 pm

Gurt B Frobe wrote:
Cate McCalley wrote:What are you guys gonna do when you run out of recycling Clinton distortions?


It's not a distortion that millions were donated to the Clinton Foundation before they got their arms deals. Do you dispute this?


I know for a fact that neither Hillary or Bill Clinton were POTUS, and neither controlled either Congress or the WH when those 'arm deals' were approved.


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Re: Justified Firing vs Constitutional Crisis

Postby Cate McCalley » Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:25 am

If you weren't able to watch former FBI Director James Comey's testimony on Thursday, before the Senate Intelligence Committee investigating Russia's interference with our 2016 election, it's available on YouTube.

As the hearing progressed, Comey was able to establish without a doubt, the FBI is an organization that is in fact our nations last line of defense against terrorism and criminal activity, of both domestic and foreign actors seeking to do our nation and it's people harm. It's 36,000+ employees working in our country and around the world may have differences of opinion on the best way to do their job, but at the end of the day it's what's best for our nation that determines how the FBI proceeds.

The nature of the FBI's work demands it's complete independence from Washington D.C.'s political ambitions. While I was disappointed and disagree with Comey's decision to publically announcing reopening Hillary Clinton's email investigation two weeks before the election, I never thought at the time or since that Comey's announcement was politically motivated. I still believe Comey made the wrong decision. In retrospect I understand why.

The FBI had opened a new investigation on Russia's interference with our election process, within days of Comey's announcement that there was insufficient evidence to charge Hillary Clinton with a crime, although she had been 'extremely careless' in handling government classified information.

In publically announcing reopening Clinton's email investigation, Comey was protecting the love of his life, the FBI. It's the same reason he reassured Trump he was not a target of Russia's 'interference' investigation. Comey was doing what he could to keep Trump from at arms length away from interfering with the investigation.

During this same time Trump was getting daily intel briefings from the CIA and NSA heads, that lasted at least 45 minutes and sometime more than an hour. Both the CIA and the NSA gave daily updates on known Russian virtual cyber and real threats domestically and internationally. When Trump met with the Russian Ambassador and Russia's foreign minister in the Oval Office (a meeting that barred the American press, yet allowed Russia's TASS photographer) Trump bragged that he had U.S. Intel 'at his fingertips', and as proof offered up classified information given to U.S. Intel by Israel's Intel.

Trump had no intention of distancing himself and his Adminstration from an investigation that was following where the evidence would lead.

In firing Comey, Trump unsuccessfully attempted to obstruct justice. Once fired Comey again did what he could to protect the FBI and it's investigations into Russia's widespread nefarious actions threatening our democracy. He leaked his memorandums documenting Trump's interference in those investigations. Comey testified he intentionally leaked his memorandums with the hope it would result in the appointment of a Special Counsel to take over the Russian interference with our 2016 election. It did.

Comey, no doubt has the correct read of Trump. No doubt Comey knows more about Trump's life than Trump himself can remember. I believe this is why Comey was willing to be separated from the love of his life the FBI, to protect it and our democracy.


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Re: Justified Firing vs Constitutional Crisis

Postby Gopher » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:17 pm

Cate McCalley wrote:
Gurt B Frobe wrote:
Cate McCalley wrote:What are you guys gonna do when you run out of recycling Clinton distortions?


It's not a distortion that millions were donated to the Clinton Foundation before they got their arms deals. Do you dispute this?


I know for a fact that neither Hillary or Bill Clinton were POTUS, and neither controlled either Congress or the WH when those 'arm deals' were approved.


She was Sec of State.
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Re: Justified Firing vs Constitutional Crisis

Postby Cate McCalley » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:18 pm

Jared Kushner brokered the $100 Billion arms deal to the Saudi's that your President signed. We know Jared's sister was in recently in China selling E-5 Visa's to the Chinese for $500,000 to a $1 Millon investments into the Kushner business. What we don't know yet, are the amount of Saudi donation to Trump's re-election campaign. That will take time to trace, given the many world wide avenues of funds transfers available to shadow bankers.

In the meantime we can go back to the topic of Trump firing FBI Director James Comey's firing over what your President termed as 'this Russian thing'. And whether Comey's recent Congressional testimony constitutes the prima facia case of obstructing justice.

And whether or not a constitutional crisis would be created if criminal charges, like Trump's campaign receiving illegal contributions from an adversarial government, amounts to violations of our Espionage Act. I suppose that would depend on the definition of 'in-kind' campaign contributions, or the verification of a money trail from an adversarial government to the campaign.

On another note, yesterdays Gallup Poll shows your President at a 36% approval rate. That must surely tell your President his snake oil isn't selling anymore.


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