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Global warming!!

Postby jeepers creepers » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:28 am

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Re: Global warming!!

Postby den » Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:36 am

I just looked at your post an it came to me that when I was a boy this is like summer used to be.I am 62 now an the weather is getting back like it was when I was young.
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Re: Global warming!!

Postby Angry Whiteguy » Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:47 pm

The weather goes in cycles just like everything else... There is no man made global warming... Just Ma nature doing her thing... The winters are more like I remember from childhood too....
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Re: Global warming!!

Postby GFunkMoneyDog » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:16 am

For Cate's reading enjoyment. :D

The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/The-fiddling-with-temperature-data-is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever.html
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Re: Global warming!!

Postby clark bailey » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:47 am

Jeepers, I think the new term for this is "climate change". :D
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Re: Global warming!!

Postby Cate McCalley » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:36 am

If the Artic ice melt is not caused by rising temperatures of the Ocean (as 98% of the scientific community asserts), then do tell what causes it? The article makes an assertion that temperatures not actually taken in certain zones were recorded higher due to trending of other temperatures. So what? Temperatures in those zones have never been taken and have always been trended based on the overall trend of temperatures actually taken in surrounding zones. This article isn't entertainment for me, but fodder for those that don't want to believe in global warming.

If anyone wants to actually see how far the Glaciers have retreated in the past 75 years, take a trip to Alaska. I took a trip there in 1991, before there was ever a public awareness of global warming. I saw actual photographs of the Glacial retreats year by year beginning in 1959 when the U.S. acquired Alaska. As the adage goes "One picture is worth a thousand words". Thirty pictures even more.


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Re: Global warming!!

Postby ScArEcRoW » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:55 am

Let's see. Massive blocks of ice just randomly floating around in the ocean and we don't expect them to melt over time? Ice melts Cate.
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Re: Global warming!!

Postby Cate McCalley » Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:41 am

ScArEcRoW wrote:Let's see. Massive blocks of ice just randomly floating around in the ocean and we don't expect them to melt over time? Ice melts Cate.


Indeed ice does melt over time.

We are living in what climatologist term "a warm interglacial period". What could be termed a relatively "little ice age" occurred about 600 years ago that slowed the natural glacial inland retreat. While the surface of the ice sheets are solid and brittle, the bottom is flexible. Inland glaciers retreat as inflowing streams of water (warmer than ice) ebb underneath. The hot magna in the earths core account for some of the rise in Ocean temperstures that influenced glacial retreat.

The problem is relentless extended rising temperatures in the earths biosphere cannot preserve or create our glaciers. The Oceans have risen 7.5 inches since the beginning of the 20th Century. More ice sheet melting will produce more rising Ocean water. It has no place to go other than onto land mass. Unfortunately those waters cannot flow into parched inland deserts, but will certainly redefine continental shorelines.

"A glacier forms when more snow falls each winter than melts the next summer. With alternating freezing and thawing, the snow becomes granular ice. As these layers build up, the ice recrystallizes, becomes denser, and eventually forms a massive sheet. The ice needs to be about 100 feet (30 m) thick for a glacier to form and have a surface area of at least 25 acres." U.S. Dept of Interior, Nationsl Parks.


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Re: Global warming!!

Postby GFunkMoneyDog » Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:48 pm

As recent as the 70's these same scientists with the same titles were telling us to brace for an Ice Age!
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Re: Global warming!!

Postby Cate McCalley » Mon Feb 09, 2015 2:09 pm

Let's get to the bottom of the of why "global warming" or "global climate change" has become a political issue. Specifically the political faction denying scientific evidence of rapid glacial melting and measurements of green house gases emissions into the earths oceans and atmosphere, claiming they have no long term bearing on climate change. Some claim the issue of "global warming" is a government conspiracy to "redistribute the wealth".

IMO they are victims of what I term a carbon industries conspiracy. An industry conspiring to keep it's resource as profitable as possible, as long as possible. Hiring any and all that will purport and publish information to confuse the science of climate change, and therefore the public.

The term "collective consciousness" explains why even though the Oil and Fossil Fuel Industries have spent billions to pursuade the general public that "man made global warming" is a Marxist, Communist agenda to gain control of America's economy, so far they have failed. In the meantime their very wealthy colleagues are divesting their interest in the carbon fuel industries transferring it to alternative energy markets.

The earth's real mean temperature has not deviated by 5°C in tens of millions of years. Starting in the mid-1970s, global temperatures rose 0.5 °C over a period of 25 years, alarming climatogist and cussing them to study the effects of global warming. For the past decade the change in Earth’s global mean surface temperature has been close to zero. The “pause” in global warming observed beginning in the year 2000, has been attributed to transferring excess heat from the Earth’s surface into the deep ocean. This is commonly known as the La Niña effect. It explains why the 98.5% of the earths ice sheets are still retreating.

There are several undeniable facts supporting global climate change. Artic sea ice decreasing an average of 11.2% each decade increasing sea levels. Increase of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere to 388 parts per million. Disappearance 9.3 million square miles of the ozone layer above the North Pole and a 1.3 F of the global mean temperature since 1895. These are facts gathered and verified by NASA. The same institution that put a man on the moon a half century ago. Of course there some people that believe that didn't happen either.


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Re: Global warming!!

Postby Cate McCalley » Mon Feb 09, 2015 2:32 pm

I'm not saying the alarmist are 100% correct in their panic to diminish the effects of global climate change. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. We know that carbon is a heat trapping element. Releasing more into the atmosphere and oceans have and will continue to warm the internal and external surfaces of the globe. We now have more than billion automobikes burning gallons of gasoline daily. For each gallon of gasoline burned it releases an average of 20 lbs of Carbon Dioxide into the atomposphere. Some of which remains there. To date we're looking at 388 parts per million retained in the atmosphere. It's projected in less than 5 years that number will reach 450 parts per million due to China's increased reliance on fossil fuels alone. There is no doubt all modernized countries must wean themselves from dependence on fossil fuels. Since the US has the largest carbon footprint of any nation on earth, it is incumbent on us to begin act responsibly in finding alternative clean energy. this means more than just reducing that footprint. It means making the most of the research that will produce the most effective alternative energies that will not only rebuild and support our own economy, but enable us to export it to expanding economies as well.


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Re: Global warming!!

Postby Angry Whiteguy » Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:53 pm

Follow the damned money.!!!!
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Re: Global warming!!

Postby Gunslinger » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:31 pm

Cate they are full of hot air. That's the only climate change they know.
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Re: Global warming!!

Postby Demon Hunter » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:35 pm

Cate Cate Cate! Data over the past 35 years has shown a increase in temperatures .36 degrees. Our own government statistics shows zero warming over the last 17 years.
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Re: Global warming!!

Postby Cate McCalley » Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:08 pm

Demon Hunter wrote:Cate Cate Cate! Data over the past 35 years has shown a increase in temperatures .36 degrees. Our own government statistics shows zero warming over the last 17 years.


I don't know what givernment agency you are referring to. The data I gather is from NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies; Annual mean surface temperature anomaly since 1996. Of 134 years with observations the top 10 warmest years all fall between 1998 and 2014. Figure also available in PDF. (Updated on 2015/01/16), now with GHCN version 3 and ERSST v3b)


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