DarkFairy wrote:Me too Funk, I respect CGM and have intended on going to his Church on a couple of occasions but I have yet to make it down there. (nice to see ya CGM, been a while!)
Also, CGM, I was at a funeral one time and the preacher did the exact same thing you were talking about and I was pissed! It was so disrespectful and uncalled for to say something like that when someone is grieving over a lost loved one. I think maybe they are trying to take advantage of the persons unstable emotional state when they do that.
Gfunk and DF,
I'd be happy to have you visit, we get very few local visitors and would appreciate having you guys attend with us. The only harrassment you'd receive is a lot of folks saying 'Hi' before the service and maybe some handshakes afterwords.
As for what you (DF) said about the links - yes they are absolutely contradictory. Read all through Acts and show me any conversions that occurred where they guy was alone with his own thoughts or without repentence. There are several things that people had to "do" in order to become a Christian within the bible.
To gain salvation a person has to DO several things...
They had to believe - Hebrews 11, and dozens of other verses.
They had to repent - Luke 13:3 Jesus said you'd perish without it. (to me this is the HARDEST one has to do)
They have to confess Christ - Rom 10:9-10
They have to be baptized for the remission of sins - Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16, 1 Peter 3:21 (and about 4 more scriptures)
They had to live faithful unto death. II Tim 4:7, Rev 2:10.
In a nutshell what we HAVE to do, to obtain salvation is OBEY God.
Because we obey, did we earn it? No, we don't deserve salvation even if we live right - it is a gift.
If I told you that I'd give you a free Tee Shirt for signing a form at my office - does signing the form mean that you "earned" a free shirt?
Would you receive the free shirt if you didn't obey the terms to receive it?
Now compare that analogy with that of God's promise. Salvation is free, but you do what he said to receive the free gift.