Obamacare killing jobs: Update 12/10/13: Kentucky's Mess

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Postby Cate McCalley » Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:59 am

Cate McCalley wrote:Uh oh! Your President has told his Party to repeal Obamacare without a replacement. What happened to your President's promise that everybody would have medical care coverage?

Never mind.


The best the Congressional Republican majority can come up would be the moderates compromise with some version of Ted Cruz & Mike Lee's proposal to create two exchanges in Obamacare. One exchange for the young and healthy that excludes prevention care and imposes pre-existing limiting liability for insurance companies, creating a cheaper more affordable plan. The other exchange for the rest that need pre-existing conditions covered and includes prevention care. A plan that would eventually become unaffordable, covering those that will need and use medical care.

In this way the right wing politicians, whose campaign funds draw heavily from the insurance industry, hopes to protect the profits of the medical insurance industry.

The problem for the insurance industry is Republicans can give them temporary relief, but nothing permanent. A single payer plan is coming. There is no other option to ratchet down the spiraling and uncontrolled medical care cost in the U.S.

For decades the American public has paid for the industry's R&D, only to realize we get zero economic benefit from it. The same MRI that cost $2,000 in an American medical facility can be gotten in an Australian medical facility for $100. The same 6 week course of treatment for for HIV positives that costs $184,000 in the U.S. can be accessed in India for $3,800.

Before making 'America great again', it has to be made 'well again'. That simply can't happen when good medical & preventative care is available only to the wealthy.


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Re: Obamacare killing jobs: Update 12/10/13: Kentucky's Mess

Postby GFunkMoneyDog » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:44 am

A single payer plan is coming. There is no other option to ratchet down the spiraling and uncontrolled medical care cost in the U.S.


We have that with the VA and look what a cluster that currently is.
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Re: Obamacare killing jobs: Update 12/10/13: Kentucky's Mess

Postby Cate McCalley » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:12 am

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A single payer plan is coming. There is no other option to ratchet down the spiraling and uncontrolled medical care cost in the U.S.


We have that with the VA and look what a cluster that currently is.


The problem the VA's medical care backlog is attributable to what every antiquated single payer plan has. Specifically identified as an'efficiency trap'. The VA's delivery system's structure is antiquated. It hasn't made use of advanced technology.

Not did it make the most of private medical care delivery networks excess capacity, until recently. The old business models that don't use excess capacity cannot compete in today's domestic or global economies.

Medicare a single payer medical delivery system that has kept up with technology and is very efficient. W. Bush's expansion of Part D that covers medicine is necessary but as is, it is wasteful and needs revision. Expanding Medicare's single payer system would result in better, more affordable medical care coverage.


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Re: Obamacare killing jobs: Update 12/10/13: Kentucky's Mess

Postby GFunkMoneyDog » Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:49 am

So your finally admitting that Obamacare is garbage?
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Re: Obamacare killing jobs: Update 12/10/13: Kentucky's Mess

Postby Cate McCalley » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:51 am

GFunkMoneyDog wrote:So your finally admitting that Obamacare is garbage?



Obamacare is the result of more than 3 decades of Congress wresting with our nation's out of control medical care cost. Insurance premiums and medical industry profits increased year after year, as access to prevention and medical care dwindled and more and more people could no longer afford medical care.

When Hillary Clinton was First Lady in her husbands first term, she spent two years lobbying Congress to pass a universal health care plan, similar to Obamacare that Congress passed almost 2 decades later. The medical insurance industry spent $12 Billion to defeat Clinton's proposals. More than it had spent the previous 8 years in total, for Congressional lobbying.

Obamacare was a huge victory, in that for the first time medical insurance companies were mandated to spend no less than 80% of their premium income on the delivery of direct medical care. It also ensured that coverage would include features to prevent serious medical problems from developing, and held the medical insurance companies accountable for processing and paying fraudulent claims.

Is Obamacare perfect? No it isn't. But it is better than having no controls on the medical care delivery system at all. I remind you that the Republican Party has had 6 years to amend Obamacare. Proposal after proposal has been made that would bring premium cost down and expand coverage. The majority Republican Party leadership made sure none of the hundreds of Bills proposed to fix Obamacare never made it to the floor for debate. They never made it out of Republican majority committees. The Party knows well what must be done to fix Obamacare. They know expanding Medicaid and ratcheting down cost thru expanding provider and vendor is essential. They just don't want to give up the cash cow the industry that feeds their political campaigns, and keeps the medical care industry monopolized.

Now the Party is 'stuck with the buck'. Instead of fixing Obamacare, your President has instructed his Party to repeal ACA, leaving millions without medical care. So far 9 Republican Senators have gone on record opposing both a repeal and/or it's Trumpcare replacement. They know that unless Congress does it's job to fix Obamacare, the Party will lose it's majority standing across the board in Washington, D.C. They know leaving Obamacare to fail is not an option either.

Personally, I hope Congress takes your President's advice and repeals Obamacare without a replacement. There comes a time when people must be held accountable for their actions. I know that millions will be affected. Many will suffer, some will die and all of their family's will be impacted negatively. There are consequences in elections.

I've posted about some of the complexity's in our nation's current health care delivery system. The fact that medical care is 17% of our annual GDP should be alarming enough and make people understand medical care cost are excessive, threatening our economic stability. Our nation can't survive economically keeping people sick, stuck in a revolving door of unaffordable medical care treatment & spiraling cost that pays for R&D, that other nation's benefit from, sticking our people will the bill.

To pass the buck, some of the Republican leadership are complaining that 'Democrats won't help' with input on a replacement plan. That's laughable when everybody knows Democrats were locked out of the Republican closed door meetings. All of the hundreds of appeals a D.C. proposals Democrats have made over the past six years to the Republican Party are a matter of record and probably sitting on McConnell's desk. It's not that the majority isn't familiar with Democrat's proposed fixes. They are flat rejecting all of them.

So..if as you say 'Obamacare is garbage', what's keeping the Republican majority from dumping it?


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Re: Obamacare killing jobs: Update 12/10/13: Kentucky's Mess

Postby CrissyAlwaysSunny » Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:51 pm

Something has to be done but I don't know what.
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Re: Obamacare killing jobs: Update 12/10/13: Kentucky's Mess

Postby Cate McCalley » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:42 am

CrissyAlwaysSunny wrote:Something has to be done but I don't know what.


Something is being done. People across the country are mobilizing to make Congress quit using Obamacare as their political football and do it's job. Every Congressional leader, Democrat, Republican and Independent, knows exactly what must be done to fix Obamacare. In the meantime 23 million Americans can breath easier today, knowing they will not lose their health care coverage.


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Re: Obamacare killing jobs: Update 12/10/13: Kentucky's Mess

Postby Demon Hunter » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:17 pm

Cate McCalley wrote:
CrissyAlwaysSunny wrote:Something has to be done but I don't know what.


Something is being done. People across the country are mobilizing to make Congress quit using Obamacare as their political football and do it's job. Every Congressional leader, Democrat, Republican and Independent, knows exactly what must be done to fix Obamacare. In the meantime 23 million Americans can breath easier today, knowing they will not lose their health care coverage.


How many of those 23 million don't have a job? Not counting the elderly or handicapped?
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Re: Obamacare killing jobs: Update 12/10/13: Kentucky's Mess

Postby Cate McCalley » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:37 pm

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Cate McCalley wrote:
CrissyAlwaysSunny wrote:Something has to be done but I don't know what.


Something is being done. People across the country are mobilizing to make Congress quit using Obamacare as their political football and do it's job. Every Congressional leader, Democrat, Republican and Independent, knows exactly what must be done to fix Obamacare. In the meantime 23 million Americans can breath easier today, knowing they will not lose their health care coverage.


How many of those 23 million don't have a job? Not counting the elderly or handicapped?


Many receiving Medicaid in states where it has been extended, have part time jobs with seasonal employers that don't pay enough to cover plans outside of Medicaid. Or work sporadically in construction jobs for independent contractors. A good many are in rust belt, Appalachian States and the Deep South rural areas that don't have many employers.


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Re: Obamacare killing jobs: Update 12/10/13: Kentucky's Mess

Postby GFunkMoneyDog » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:54 am

It needs to be scraped and to be rewritten with input from both sides. That won't happen because the Democrats rammed Obamacare through.
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Re: Obamacare killing jobs: Update 12/10/13: Kentucky's Mess

Postby Cate McCalley » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:51 pm

GFunkMoneyDog wrote:It needs to be scraped and to be rewritten with input from both sides. That won't happen because the Democrats rammed Obamacare through.


Republicans have no excuse for not proceeding. They made claims and promises for 7 years now. Let's see the rubber hit the road.


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Re: Obamacare killing jobs: Update 12/10/13: Kentucky's Mess

Postby Cate McCalley » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:45 am

The Honorable Senator from Arizona, John McCain gave the Republican Senate Majoirity leader, Sen. McConnell the procedural vote he wanted to repeal and replace Obamacare with a 'skinny' version of what the House passed, and Trump called 'mean'.

49 Senators, including the Honable Senator McCain, believe taking medical insurance away from 17 million Americans, and letting large employers away with not provide health insurance, was still too mean. They gave a thumbs down and the Republican Party crafting Trump's 'skinny version' of the mean House Bill failed.

I'm sure when John McCain answered his country's call to duty, he could have never imagined how strong the knot that binds a true Patriot to his country, would become over his lifetime.

It's so incredibly ironic that this true American Patriot, standing in the final phase of his life, stood in the wee hours this morning, once again showed his unflinching courage to protect Americans unable to protect themselves.


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Re: Obamacare killing jobs: Update 12/10/13: Kentucky's Mess

Postby Political Plague » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:37 am

Healthcare should never be run by the government. It should be run the free market. When government gets their hands on things like this, it is never a good thing. We do not need big government controlling our society. Our society should be run by WE THE PEOPLE. We do not want socialized medicine. Look at what is happening in the UK with Charlie Guard. Very sad! Do you really want the government telling you when you should or shouldn't die? Just saying!
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Re: Obamacare killing jobs: Update 12/10/13: Kentucky's Mess

Postby Cate McCalley » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:01 am

Political Plague wrote:Healthcare should never be run by the government. It should be run the free market. When government gets their hands on things like this, it is never a good thing. We do not need big government controlling our society. Our society should be run by WE THE PEOPLE. We do not want socialized medicine. Look at what is happening in the UK with Charlie Guard. Very sad! Do you really want the government telling you when you should or shouldn't die? Just saying!


Charlie Guard's parents will not be bringing him to the U.S. I expect they are sickened by the way the right wing press has exploited their son's tragedy.

You want to know what's very sad? The hundreds of millions of the elderly Americans that suffered with curable illnesses along with the multi millions with incurable but manageable illnesses that died from lack of medical care before Medicare became law.

Medicare is available because of a tiny 1.45% payroll tax contributed by employers and the employed. I'm positive you have elderly relatives in the past and some alive today because they have access to medical care they would not have, but for government intervention that made it possible.

So please, spare me your uninformed and negative opinion of what our government should or shouldn't do to protect us from pain, suffering and premature death.


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Re: Obamacare killing jobs: Update 12/10/13: Kentucky's Mess

Postby PharmGirl » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:37 pm

Not to mention the druggies who are getting the free drugs.
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